{"id":1915,"date":"2015-04-08T21:26:40","date_gmt":"2015-04-08T21:26:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/?p=1915"},"modified":"2016-09-26T11:55:09","modified_gmt":"2016-09-26T11:55:09","slug":"holocaustul-este-referitor-la-evrei-dar-exista-pericolul-peste-tot-pentru-toata-lumea","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/2015\/04\/08\/holocaustul-este-referitor-la-evrei-dar-exista-pericolul-peste-tot-pentru-toata-lumea\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cThe Holocaust is about the Jews, but the danger is everywhere \u2013 for everybody\u201d (fragments)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b><i>Testimonies by LIVIU BERIS and ALEXANDRU ELIAS<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p><i>This material is the transcript of a discussion with Holocaust survivors Liviu Beris and Alexandru Elias during the conference\/workshop <b>Nationalism, Fascism and the Holocaust in Romanian History \u2013 A Critical Approach<\/b>, organized by Third Generation Buchenwald during October 16-20 in Bucharest. Liviu Beris was evicted from Herta, his hometown, at the age of 13 and deported to Moghilev concentration camp in Transnistria\/Pridnestrovie. Today he is the president of the Association of Romanian Jews Victims of the Holocaust. Alexandru Elias was deported to Tirgu-Jiu labor camp in 1942, at the age of 16, for his political activity. He was a member of the left-wing Zionist organization Ha\u0219omer Ha\u021bair, an organization which militated for a bi-national (Jewish-Arab) state in Palestine.<\/i><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1916\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Leon-Misosniky-fara-titlu-Beris-Elias.png\" data-rel=\"penci-gallery-image-content\" ><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1916\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1916\" alt=\"Leon Misosniky, artist and anti-fascist militant, no title, 93 x 65, marker\" src=\"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/04\/Leon-Misosniky-fara-titlu-Beris-Elias.png\" width=\"600\" height=\"809\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1916\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Leon Misosniky, artist and anti-fascist militant, no title, 93 x 65, marker<\/p><\/div>\n<p><b>Liviu Beris:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;] On July 5, 1941, Romanian troops entered Herta. Someone came and told my father that the Romanian troops are on the outskirts of the city. My father, who had fought in the Romanian army, told me \u201ccome on, let\u2019s greet our men! We won\u2019t be deported to Siberia!\u201d On the way, about 20 Romanians and eight Jews joined. We got to the outskirts, where the Romanian avant-garde was stationed. A grumpy captain, instead of saying \u201cgood day\u201d, asked us: \u201cWhich of you are Jews? Over to this side!\u201d The second order was to take off our shoes. We all obeyed, and when we got up, we saw a group of soldiers pointing their guns at us. One of the Romanians who had come with us saw what was going on and jumped in front of the guns, pleading desperately: \u201cWhat are you doing captain? These people suffered alongside us!\u201d The other Romanians also shielded us from the weapons, so the captain couldn\u2019t give the order to fire. This is how I survived. They gave us the order to leave and we left barefoot. To this day, I still consider July 5, 1941, as my second birthday. This was the first contact I had with the troops during the war against the Soviets. After about 3 days, all Jews in Herta had been arrested, taken to different synagogues and guarded. I can\u2019t remember what I was eating during those days, but I do remember it was horribly difficult to get any water. On the third day, the so-called new local authorities \u2013 appointed by the Gendarmerie \u2013 arrived and started calling out names. They took the people they\u2019d called out, some 132 of them, and I found out they were executed without any trial. Afterwards, we were set free from the synagogues, returned to our homes and obviously found them plundered. [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p><b>Alexandru Elias:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>There is a difference between the oppression of innocent people for the \u201ccrime\u201d of being born Jewish and my experience. The things I\u2019d like to talk to you about happened when I wasn\u2019t yet 17. I turned 17 in Antonescu\u2019s prisons. Now I\u2019m just a few months shy of my 90<sup>th<\/sup> birthday. It was 1942, roughly a year after the Antonescu regime declared war on the Soviet Union as an ally of Hitler and of Nazism. The Jews were persecuted on all fronts, pupils, students, intellectuals, all had been removed from schools and universities. I was studying then at one of the most high-brow high-schools in Bucharest, Gheorghe Lazar. My great-grandfather had been a teacher there. In 1941, I, his grandson, was expelled from this high-school for being of Jewish origin. My father and my grandfather had fought in the Romanian army, they fought for the national ideal. There was no reason to discriminate against us, other than the fact that we were Jews, which is something that does not and should not be a reason for anybody. I\u2019m telling you this so that you understand why I and other young people were so angry with what was happening. [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>None of us saw any other ways to fight Antonescu\u2019s regime than by joining the Communist movement or by immigrating to Palestine, the historical homeland of the Jews. I saw the latter as the only viable solution and so I joined the left-wing Zionist organization Ha\u0219omer Ha\u021bair. A group of young people from this organization continued to pursue minor actions, which stood no chance of succeding, but they did it with the desire to assert their human dignity, to fight injustice. We discussed the opportunity of forming self-defense guards during our group meetings. But we were too young and immature and nothing materialized. But 3 members from the Communist Youth had joined the organization and these 3 youngsters labeled banknotes with anti-fascist slogans like \u201eDown with Hitler and Antonescu!\u201d, \u201eWe want peace\u201d and others of the sort. These banknotes were iercepted by the secret police. Starting from the three Communist members, the investigation uncovered a list with the members of our organization. This is how the trial began, this is how the three were arrested and how ore than 20 youngsters aged 12 to 20-something were also arrested. The three were sentenced to death and executed, although they were underaged. The 12 year-old girl was sentenced to 10 years in prison, but pardoned after one year. I got 20 years hard labor, out of which I served 3 \u2013 I was released when Romania switched sides in Augu st 1944. Very few of the people involved in the trial stayed in the country, most of them left in 1947-48 to Israel. Those of us who stayed were responsive to the anti-fascist and social justice rhetoric of the Communist Party. In the eyes of the millions of Jews who sacrificed themselves in the Holocaust, the Zionist approach seemed like the only solution for the Jewish people.[&#8230;]<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Testimonies by LIVIU BERIS and ALEXANDRU ELIAS This material is the transcript of a discussion with Holocaust survivors Liviu Beris and Alexandru Elias during the conference\/workshop Nationalism, Fascism and the Holocaust in Romanian History \u2013 A Critical Approach, organized by Third Generation Buchenwald during October 16-20 in Bucharest. Liviu Beris was evicted from Herta, his hometown, at the age of 13 and deported to Moghilev concentration camp in Transnistria\/Pridnestrovie. Today he is the president of the Association of Romanian Jews Victims of the Holocaust. Alexandru Elias was deported to Tirgu-Jiu labor camp in 1942, at the age of 16, for&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[92],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1915"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1915"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1915\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3402,"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1915\/revisions\/3402"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1915"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1915"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/artapolitica.ro\/gazetapolitica\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1915"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}